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April 26, 2000
Dear
Sir/Madame:
The
transcripts below provided by Peter Maguire from two documentary films of the H
and S Studio. As for all the typos in the transcripts, that is how it appears in
the original so we left it alone. If there are any obvious typos we made them,
but the strange spellings were in the original.
The
transcripts are about 1) comrade Ieng Thirith or Khieu Thirith (alias Phea,
Hong), Democratic Kampuchea (DK) Minister of Social Affairs and Education and
Candidate member of the Standing Committee of the Communist Party Kampuchea
(CPK) Central Committee, 1975-1979; and 2) comrade Ieng Sary or Kim Trang or So
Hao, Democratic Kampuchea (DK) Deputy Prime Minister for Foreign Affairs and
Full Rights member the Standing Committee of the Communist Party Kampuchea (CPK)
Central Committee, 1975-1979.
Sincerely,
Youk
Chhang, Director
The
Documentation Center of Cambodia
COMRADE IENG
THIRITH FROM Kampuchea: Death and Rebirth. H and S STUDIO 1980. INTERVIEW WAS
CONDUCTED IN STOCKHOLM, SWEDEN.
Transcriptions:
276
p. 106 "You know that the United States first they were aggressing our country,
but know they are in favor of our independence we consider the United States as
our friend."
282 p. 108 "I think that everybody is aware that, all the
world now is aware that the famine is deliberately created by the Vietnamese
aggressors in order to crush our resistance."
288 p. 110 "The Vietnamese
they plundered all our warehouses, all our crops, and then even went so far as
to burn the crops in our rice fields because that time is the harvest season.
And so they have cut off our supplies of food by doing so and now they use the
famine as a weapon in order to exterminate our people."
297 p. 112 "We
had succeeded in giving our people sufficient food, sufficient clothes and free
medical care for everybody."
332 p.124 "We have arrested the agents of
the Vietnamese Fifth Column successively from 1975 up to May 1978, and it was in
May 1978 that we had crushed the Vietnamese Fifth Column by arresting the heads
of these Fifth Columns."
341 p. 126 "About the pictures. You know that
the Vietnamese, they are very cunning about this. They can stage anything. They
will stop at nothing in order to legalize their aggression. And I admit, as I
told you, that there were excesses but those excesses had been ordered from
Hanoi. So the Hanoi authorities they are double-faced. On the one hand, they
order the agents to commit excesses in our country and on the other hand they
take these few excesses in order to enlarge into systematic slanderous
propaganda against our government so that once they aggress our country public,
international public opinion have been already mobilised against us, would
legalise, would support them, would legalise the aggression by saying: 'Oh very
good those Vietnamese, they are not aggressors, they are liberators of the
Kampuchean people who was, who was victim of their own government.'"
343
p. 128 "The Vietnamese aggressor has so far massacred more than half a million
of our people, most of all women, children and old-aged people who are too weak
to escape in time their furious massacres."
348
p. 130 "This, the Vietnamese propaganda. I told you that I don't deny that we
have evacuated all the population of Phnom Penh to the countryside, including my
own family, my mother, my sister. My sister, she is a doctor in law. She is an
intellectual too, and you see that the Vietnamese agents they have killed my
sister. So you cannot say that I myself killed my sister. It's impossible. So
they have ordered their agents to do so, to kill intellectuals, because
intellectuals they are very patriotic, very independent, they are utterly for
the independence of the country against Vietnamese domination. And it's
themselves, they commit these crimes and they make propaganda on the
international arena that it's our government who commits all these
crimes."
391 p. 146 "For example myself, I am an intellectual. I was
educated in Paris. I was educated especially in the Sorbonne in
Paris."
394 p. 148 "So it's not true that we had set as our aim to
eliminate any intellectual, because we want intellectuals, we need
intellectuals, because intellectuals can help us build our country more
quickly."
401 p. 150 "And even the Vietnamese they went so far as to say
that we kill everybody who wears spectacles, who wears glasses, because
everybody who wears glasses is taxed as intellectual. But you see that myself
I'm wearing glasses."
COMRADE
IENG SARY FROM Die Angkar BY STUDIO H and S, WRITTEN AND DIRECTED BY Heynowski
and Scheumann 1981
558
[Film's frame number, p. 140, storyboards to Die Angkar]
558. Picture of
Ieng Sary in a suit.
Sary: "In 1976 I was appointed Deputy Premier. I was
responsible for foreign policy. And today under Khieu Samphan I am Deputy
Premier and Foreign Minister....
592 p. 150. Sary speaks: "I read the
sentence at the UN, like many other diplomats. They said it was a comedy, not
worth watching.
596 p. 151. "We are firmly convinced that the Chinese
Government will always help us in the struggle for independence and preservation
of the nation until final victory."
598 p. 151 "We weren't aware of life
at the grassroots, that is the way murders are able to happen. But the murderers
were Vietnamese agents. That's as plain as day."
614 p. 156 "We set our
hopes on the Reagan government that it will implement its declaration to act
uncompromisingly with regard to the Soviet Union and only negotiate from a
position of strength. That would help us a lot."
628 p. 160 "First there
are the aggressors and expansionists headed by the Soviet Union, and the other
part is the movement of struggle for independence and freedom against the
expansionists. It is good that the USA and China are agreed there. We too are in
this team."
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